Transitioning a Sensitive Dog Part IV – the Finale

Baxter Driving

January 14th, 2015

So it has now been six weeks that my Baxter baby has been on raw food. He has fully transitioned with absolutely no problems.  I am very glad I did it gradually, it took a full month to do, but now he can handle food he could never eat before without having troubles just fine.  Now that his digestion is doing so much better, I am less fearful of giving him little treats, like a piece of my bacon fat, or eating the leftover sauce when I have spaghetti.  This makes him very, very happy, because for a full year he hasn’t had anything but kibble and what he could scrounge off the floor at family dinners with my nephews.  The kids like it too, because they are allowed to play with him and feed him treats again.  His coat is feeling softer, and his energy is up despite his advancing years.

Each dog is different, and Baxter has definite preferences to the different lines of Steve’s.  He is not a big fan of the turkey-based products, he much prefers the Chicken and he LOVES the Beef.  He laps up the yogurt like nobody’s business, as well.

We are planning on getting him a bowl with a center you can freeze to keep it cold all day.  He is used to just eating whenever he feels like it so keeping him on a consistent eating schedule has been difficult.  He doesn’t want to eat on our time, he wants to eat on his!  Plus with the flexibility of my schedule and my boyfriend’s, it is hard for us to feed him at exact times so he can get used to it.  For our lives that is a challenge, so having a bowl that will keep the food cold throughout the day so he can eat when he wants will help a lot, I think.

It’s been much less stressful than I expected it to be with Baxter’s past digestive history, so I have overall been really pleased.  He is adapting to his new life fantastically – with me around more and much less stressed (I had a high stress job that was not a good fit for me last year), he is happy with life.  He is a little cuddle bunny, and last night hopped into bed with me no less than five times.  With two cats that like to cuddle/take over your pillow and a dog, I don’t sleep very consistently…

Speaking of cats, I want to let you know that Magic, the cat attacked by a pitbull, is doing much better.  It was so touch and go there for awhile, but we knew he was in the clear when a few nights ago he started playfully hunting and chasing the other cat around the apartment. We have gotten all the bedding he leaked on cleaned, and things are feeling like they are back to normal besides his shaved belly and the stitches that we need to get taken out.  We feel so blessed and lucky that our cat is still alive, and that he is returning to health, poor thing.  It was a nightmare, but it is pretty much over now.

Thanks for following my journey as I transitioned my baby over to raw food.  I hope that you found it helpful and semi-interesting, and that it will encourage you, if you are thinking of turning to raw, to not let it be too intimidating of an idea for you.  I have found he is happier, healthier, and the overall wellness in my home has improved. Because the Steve’s line is so convenient to feed, it has not added to our stress levels at all compared to him eating kibble.  Wanting good things for him has inspired me to do more for my own nutrition, and in the same six weeks (but mostly the last three) I have cut sugar out of my diet, starting juicing regularly, and eating out less.  I did no sugar and low carbs a couple of years ago and lost a considerable amount of weight in five months (almost ten pounds a month) but with peer pressure and the stresses of life I lost hold of that healthy lifestyle and go figure, the weight came back. I am returning to healthfulness, and I can definitely attribute some of that to Baxter and giving him a quality diet.

So all I can say is that if you are thinking of doing it, DO IT!  You can’t put a price on good health!

 

Aspen

Transitioning a Sensitive Dog to a Steve’s Real Food Diet – Part III, December 16-December 23

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December 16th

Baxter was fine this morning, but I forgot to give him his meat before work. He seemed to look at me reproachfully all day! I gave it to him at night, and he did great.

We do Airbnb for our second bedroom. If you are unfamiliar with this program, it’s a website that essentially sets people up who have a room with people who are travelling and need a room. It can be much cheaper than a hotel, or comparable, but people really like it because they get the opportunity to meet locals and find out about things to do, restaurants, etc. from people who live and love their cities and want to share the best of the best.

Last night we had a guy come who was travelling from Michigan to Reno for a new job. He had the most beautiful, gorgeous rescued pitbull. It was a little nerve-racking, because not being neutered, Baxter has been attacked by big dogs before. So we had them meet, sniff each other while on leashes, see how they reacted, etc., then kept the dogs separate the rest of the night. I know there is a documentary about pitbulls I need to see, and I know that a lot of times they can be great, but they still make me a little nervous at this point. I’ve never been around one in close proximity for a lengthy period of time before. The dog was quiet and sweet, and did I mention beautiful? Our guest said the dog had bitten other dogs before, when he was first rescued, so like I said, we just kept them separated. I made the pitbull a serving of Steve’s Chicken and goat yogurt, and our guest said his dog hadn’t eaten so well in his entire life! The dog went crazy for it, and followed me around most of the rest of the night hoping I had more magical treats up my sleeve.

We gave Baxter the bone again last night to make up for locking him up in the room for so long in the evening. He is really getting into it now, he got a good amount of marrow out of it – I think as far as his little tongue could get!

 

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December 17th

Baxter’s morning walk gave me nothing to worry about. I am going to start giving him a nightly serving of the 2 oz’s of Chicken starting tonight, so like I did with the yogurt, doubling his daily intake but spreading it out. I think he is ready for it. I will let you know how it goes!

December 18th, 2014

So I fed Baxter an extra serving last night, and this morning his walk revealed not even a little to worry about. I’m super impressed, with his stomach problems and everything I was expecting this to be much more difficult. I can’t believe it is as easy as it has been, and it is a real testament to me that this is good quality food, and I’m not just saying that because I am an employee! I am genuinely impressed, and feel extremely blessed to have found such a good product, much less being paid to share it with others!

The bad news is that after I took Baxter in from his walk, the pitbull got out of the control of it’s owner and attacked my cat. It was awful, he latched onto my cat’s belly and dragged him; it took two grown men to get them apart. My boyfriend got bad bites on his arms (from the cat, thankfully – painful, but not life threatening) and I had to take Magic (the cat) to the animal emergency room. He had to have surgery, stitches, everything, and he was in the hospital all day. Fortunately he is a very fat cat (almost 20 pounds) and there was no damage to the internal organs. The vet said his fat saved his life – think on that next time you turn down that chocolate…

I try not to think if it had been my smaller cat, Rawri. I adore her and she would be dead. Regardless, Magic is ripped up pretty badly, and my boyfriend is struggling – his arm was really swollen and cut up, but emotionally it is worse. The owner of the dog promised to pay all the bills, which I was grateful for, but after he found out how much (839 dollars for the initial day in the hospital) he is starting to backtrack. Hopefully it will all get worked out and we won’t have to pay for the damage his dog did.

As I type, Baxter is licking the blood from Magic’s stitches off of some towels we laid down for her. Gross. He is very intrigued by her right now and she is very scared of him – I think she smells differently than he is used to. Unlike the pitbull, though, Baxter would never hurt another living creature. He is all love and friendliness. It makes me appreciate him more. This whole incident, and how emotionally shaking it has been, has really made me appreciate today just how deeply we can love our animals. They are so worth it! We didn’t blink about paying over a thousand dollars to save the life of a free cat from the shelter. That is what love does. So…anyone need some editing done? ;-)

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December 19th, 2014

The cat is tired and not moving much, but doing well, considering. We had to take Luke to the walk-in clinic to get on antibiotics for the cat bites as he is starting to lose the use of his arms and it is turning red from the infection. It looks like we will be compensated at least most of the cost of Magic’s surgery, but not the followup, and not the cost of Luke’s care ( and he doesn’t have insurance).

Baxter, however, is doing great. With the emotional stress of the rest of the day I was too exhausted and distracted to feed him his evening serving of Steve’s last night, and I know he missed it, but he is transitioning really well. I gave him both servings, morning and night, today.

 My little family is sleeping a lot and doing their best to recover.

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December 20th, 2014

Baxter had a surprising amount of poop this morning, but it was all within a good range of solidity, though getting more wet towards the newer stuff. I am thinking it is time to start cutting him off of the kibble, and limiting his intake, because with the amount of Steve’s he is eating, he doesn’t really need it. Again, because we have been too stressed catching up with normal life after the pitbull attack, I didn’t have time to defrost his food first, and when I served him the frozen nuggets he looked at me accusingly and wouldn’t touch it for half an hour. That was this morning, but when I served it frozen again this evening he decided he was okay with it. So okay with it, in fact, that he took the nuggets off the plate one by one and took them over to the rug in the kitchen to eat them in a more comfortable position. Which was just great. So now I have to clean my rug, I think. :-( Add it to the list of towels, blankets,bathrobes, scarves, etc. my injured cat has bled or leaked on as her stitches healed (she also has tubes coming out for drainage of her wounds) and I guess I am in for a major laundry day tomorrow. She is an absolute doll when it comes to taking her pills, though. And she is very affectionate, which is abnormal for her. She is also terrified of people coming in the house and hides under the bedside table shaking for ten minutes afterwards. Our other cat is weirded out by Magic’s smell and has refused to come into the bedroom since we brought her home from surgery. I’m trying to spend some time in the living room with my normally affectionate Rawri, and she sat on my lap for an hour as I worked on my computer. It’s a difficult time for our entire family, but things are slowly getting better.

By the way, Magic the injured cat is a boy. I just can’t wrap my brain around referring to cats in the masculine, so I may go back and forth in my pronouns for her.

When your child is sick, neighbors and members of your community show their sympathy, bring meals, help with day to day chores, etc, because they know you are emotionally exhausted and could use the support.  People don’t think to do that when your pet is sick, but between caring for the animals and Luke being out of commission I sure could have used it.  I did have one friend, however, who showed a surprising amount of consideration, and brought Magic some get-well presents.  It turned out the entire pet family loved them:

December 21st, 2014

Baxter is now getting 20 nuggets twice a day. He is transitioning well. We are feeding him half a small bowl of kibble in addition to the raw diet, but I am going to have to figure out soon how much he really needs to be eating.

We think the strong painkillers they put Magic on are starting to wear off. He is clearly in pain, and he is reacting worse to taking medicine, he is resisting more. That is good because it means he is getting stronger, but worse because we are having a lot more trouble giving him his antibiotics. If we fail giving them to him the first time and he spits them out they become sticky and difficult to get far enough down his throat, and they ended up just dissolving in his mouth. Then he starts to foam, which really freaked Rawri out. Tonight she did decide to come in for a few minutes, but won’t get on the bed for more than a minute. Still, it is progress. Magic is supposed to go to the vet today, but with her still leaking I don’t know if they are going to remove the tubes yet.

This happened, and I paused long enough to snap a picture before getting her off the computer before she leaked on it.  Gives you some perspective to how big she is – and how old my computer is…

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December 22nd, 2014

Baxter is doing so great, I am very proud of him. Even with the increase in his raw intake he is doing absolutely wonderful. He has been emotionally stressed and spending lots of the night cuddled up to me, because between Magic being injured and Luke being nearly immobilized without the use of his arms for two days as the antibiotics took effect, I’ve been stressed getting everything ready for Christmas in addition to everything else on my own, and Luke has been irritable, so home life has not been peaceful for our poor dog with all the exhausted tension in the air.  But Luke is getting better, and presents are purchased and wrapped, so he should be feeling happier soon. He is such an empathic dog!  And he loves his Steve’s Chicken and goat yogurt!  It is a highlight in his day.  I’ve been impressed with how far the 5 pound bag goes, too.  It doesn’t even look like we have made a dent in it yet.  Granted, he has not been on a fully raw diet yet, but still, it is surprising to me.

I finally got some nuggets in the fridge so he doesn’t have to eat them frozen/half frozen.  We can’t give them to him entirely frozen anymore because he continues to take them onto the rug to eat, so we pour them out and let them thaw for a half an hour before feeding him.  Which is, of course, pretty much torture for him.

 

Happy Christmas to all from Baxter, the dizziest dog of Christmas!

 

Transitioning a Sensitive Dog to a Steve’s Real Food Diet – Part 2 – December 4th – December 15th, 2014

Baxter’s Food Journal

Baxter Driving

December 4th, 2014 9:45 pm

Just gave baxter his first Raw Food experience. I gave him a little over an 8th of a cup (about 1.5 oz) of the Raw Goat Yogurt. Recommended amount for a dog his size is 2 oz, but I thought I would start off a little below that. He seemed confused at first when I poured it over his kibble.  He hasn’t ever had something like it before. He sniffed it then looked at me, serious confusion on his face. “Why would you ruin my food like this?” he seemed to ask. He wouldn’t touch it. So I picked up a piece of goat-milk covered food and put it in my hand for him to investigate. He sniffed again, but this time he started licking the goat milk off the kibble, then he ate it. I did that two more times, and then he started eating from his bowl no problems. He ate about half of the goat milk before deciding he was done. I heard a tummy rumble about ten minutes later.

December 5th, 2014 8:45 AM

After last nights serving of raw goat milk, Baxter seemed fine. He fell asleep soon after and had some vivid dreams – one of my favorite Baxter times, because he is so cute as he chases things on the floor unconscious!  After he ate the initial little bit, he wouldn’t touch his kibble. I don’t think he liked how the yogurt made it soggy – plus I was at the end of the bag of food so it was pretty dusty, which he also doesn’t like. So this morning I gave him another 1 oz of goat milk, about 11 hours after the first one, straight in a bowl instead of over his food. Again I had to have him taste a little off of my finger, but then he headed straight for the bowl and ate it all as fast as he could. The main problem, really, was keeping the cat away from it, because Rawri seemed pretty interested, too.

Baxter’s morning walk revealed again just how sensitive his stomach is. Even with how gentle Goat’s milk seems, there was a noticeable difference in color from darker to lighter, and the stool was considerably looser than normal. I will have to monitor for signs of diarrhea since he had more this morning than he did last night. However, the smell was a lot less noticeable=. So with time I think good things could come from it.

December 6th, 2014 9:30 AM

Baxter’s walk was a little worrying. Poopie color was lighter and looser than normal, and after his second poop he stopped again and pushed some liquid out, but it didn’t look like blood, which was a relief. I know, because I inspected it very closely. I really hope the neighbors are not watching me standing around gazing at poop for minutes at a time. You can see the difference where his body is processing the goat’s milk vs his regular food because of the color change.

Today we went on a 5 mile hike with my friend Jodi up Desolation Trail to the Salt Lake Overlook. My job before joining Steve’s was really stressful and exhausting, and neither Baxter or I have had any good exercise to speak of in months, so this was our first foray back into healthful physical living. Baxter was a little tropper, even well behaved with other dogs we met on the trail, which is a rarity (he’s not neutered, so…yeah). He was muddy and tired afterwards, and probably cold, because I was freezing. The trick I always forget is that you need to dress for the top of the mountain, not the bottom…
December 7th, 2014 8:30 AM

Same, not quite as loose. It’s reassuring that it isn’t being problematic yet.

 

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December 8th, 2014 8:30 AM

I was a little worried today because I forgot to give him the goat’s yogurt yesterday morning so I gave it to him last night. He had been to my parent’s house for Sunday dinner with me and it is always a struggle to keep him from eating people food – I have two nephews who are baby/toddler age who love to throw their food on the floor, and amid the chaos it is hard to track him and keep him from eating their food – and he knows right where to stand to wait for their scraps!  It’s an ecosystem, I guess.

For a while I kept him away from them by pretending I was going to feed him, raising his hopes so he stayed next to me.  I always feel guilty doing that; creating the expectation without following through seems so mean!  But this morning his stool was fine, and I felt confident enough that I gave him his morning treat of goat’s milk yogurt despite it only being twelve hours since his last one.

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December 9th, 2014 8:00 AM

His poopies are fine, and he is doing really well adjusting. Remember, I am giving him a little over an ounce in the mornings, which is half a serving for a dog his size. I’m going to start tonight to give him a second evening serving to see what happens.  I am hoping doubling the serving, but spreading it out, will keep his body handling it really well.

I don’t know if it is related, but I noticed a difference in his energy today, about twenty minutes after I fed him the goat yogurt. He always gets really excited when he realizes I am taking him with me to work, so him getting a little riled is no different from normal, but today as he raced outside with me he was actually leaping as he ran. He’s a little dog so it’s not like he gets very high, but he doesn’t usually get all four paws off the ground at once. I know Chia is a good energy booster, and I feel like it may be contributing. The long hike I took him on probably helped, as well.  I haven’t seen him act that spry in at least a year.

 

December 10th 8:30 Am

Based on the fact that Baxter has been doing well with the Goat yogurt, I decided to up his serving. So yesterday in addition to the 1.5 oz I gave him in the morning, I gave him another oz in the evening. This time I had my boyfriend feed him, and Baxter needs no prompting any more. He knows the yogurt is for him and he is eager to eat his daily treat. Soon I know he is going to recognize the bag when I pull it out of the fridge, too!

On his walk this morning I was expecting lighter poopies because he had twice as much yogurt, but it was regular and hard, so his body is taking to it pretty well, it seems. It may be the evening treat hadn’t cycled all the way through him yet, so I will be watchful on our next walk.

Dogs have a fantastic ability to bring new people into your life. That is one of the reasons they are so great if, like me, you are a little shy and nervous around new people.

Today Baxter introduced me to a neighbor who also had dogs. I’ve always been jealous of this neighbor’s house; a beautiful home with a big porch at the top of the hill with a great view of Downtown Salt Lake City.

His dogs are great, too, and they were running around like madmen this morning. Baxter saw them from across the street and I had to quickly put him on leash to prevent him from running across into the morning traffic.

The neighbor invited us to come play with his dogs, which was great. I will never understand people who don’t want their dogs to interact with other animals (unless their dog is overly aggressive, in which case I totally get it).  As our dogs ran around, the neighbor told me he was dogsitting the Jack Russell puppy. This cute little guy had been picked up by a college student who had left it to her parents, who were not particularly thrilled.  My boyfriend and I had been talking just the night before about how much Baxter needed a live-in friend, and just in case fate was telling me something, I took the puppy, Echo, home for a bit to meet the family.

There is nothing better than waking my boyfriend up with a surprise puppy. This happens on a fairly regular basis –  the people in my area tend to let their dogs escape a lot, and as dog people, we feel it our duty to adopt them until their parents can be found. I am including the video of our cat’s reaction to it, but in the end my boyfriend reminded me that we have a very small apartment and need someplace bigger before we get Baxter a friend, so Echo went home. Still, it made for a nice morning!

 

December 11th:

Baxter is doing well with the yogurt, and he is loving getting a nice treat every day. He has been getting super lovey and affectionate in the evenings, I feel like he is trying to say thank you. I’ve been so impressed he hasn’t struggled at all with blood in his feces. In the evening, we went for a walk/run to the grocery store three blocks away (in Utah blocks are really big), and he loved running alongside me.

 

December 12th:

Today I fed him his first bit of raw meat, Steve’s Chicken Recipe. After we came in from our morning walk and he was demonstrating healthy stools, I gave him two ounces of raw meat – about a quarter of what I hope to get him to. I thought it may be a little much, but I wanted to see how he did. I placed the meat in front of him (I had thawed it in the fridge, so it was cold but not frozen),  blinked, and it was gone! He clearly loved it but it made me want to say, “hey, slow down there!  I paid good money for that, you need to savor it!”  But you can’t really use the logics of economics, value, and worth with a dog.

In the evening, the weather was ridiculously warm for Salt Lake City in December, so my boyfriend and I decided to walk down to Temple Square to see the Christmas lights (google it, it will change your definition of holiday spirit).  It is about a five mile walk round trip, with a slight incline the entire way back, and took us about three hours with stopping for sandwiches and seeing the lights. You know you have become a dog person when you share your water bottle with your pet. We put him in his Christmas sweater, and the crowds downtown just loved him!  It is a big family event, and so there were strollers and toddlers and children running around all over the Square, but there was not another dog in the place (not sure they are allowed, but we carried him through the crowds anyway). It was so cute!

On the way back we talked about how Baxter has seemed to have more energy lately. Steve’s has provided a better life for him in many ways – not only does he get a great healthy diet that he is clearly appreciating, but he doesn’t have to spend as much time alone as I can take him with me to work, and he has always struggled with separation anxiety. He is so happy with life right now.

I am glad we went for a long walk, because Baxter did poop about three times, and it was much lighter and looser than normal – very loose. Evidence that his diet is changing, but again, without any indications that his body is being hurt by the change – no blood in the stools, no ewok screams, no full on diarrhea, etc. We are pretty happy right now.

After five miles, though, Baxter was like a happy, content,  exhausted log for the next 24 hours. That is a long way to go for a creature with five inch legs!

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December 13th:

The stools have solidified more again. The loose stool last night was only to be expected as he got his first taste of something different for the first time. Today I took the meat and smashed it up with a fork and spread it around his plate, and topped it with the Goat yogurt.  No real need to do this, but it takes him longer to eat so psychologically I feel like he gets more out of it. :-)

 

December 14th

Stool was fine today, parts of it a little looser than normal, but not anything terrible.  He loves his food!

 

December 15th

Stool was really loose this morning, but after four days of feeding him 2 oz a day, he has not had one explosion or struggle. The transition is going much better than I expected. I am going to keep him on the 2 oz’s for at least another three days before I move him up to more. Still doing the goat yogurt as well, and he loves it.  We also got him a Steve’s marrow bone – they have TONS of marrow in them!  He worked with it a little bit, got about a half inch on one side before losing interest. We used to give him bones every night at bedtime, but it became clear that they were not the quality we would have liked, and that they had something in them that made him abnormally addicted. We also think the old bones we gave him (not real ones like the Steve’s bones, which I think is pretty cool if not slightly graphic for a squeamish person like me) contributed to his weight gain. Eventually we stopped giving them to him more than once every couple of weeks, but he begged and begged for a long time. I think a real bone without any unknown chemicals is going to be a lot better for him.

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Transitioning a Sensitive Dog to Raw Food Episode 1

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Hello, Pet Parents!

My name is Aspen, and I am thrilled to become a part of the Steve’s Real Food family on the Operations team. I will be overseeing social media, customer service, editing, newsletters, and operations.

 

Over the next couple of months, I am going to be blogging about my experience transitioning my baby, Baxter, over to a Steve’s Raw Food diet.

To start, let’s talk about my dog’s current diet and issues.

Baxter is an 8 year old Norwich Terrier, male, and un-neutered. When he first came into my life two years ago, he was eating kibble – didn’t much matter what kind. He had no problem eating people food, and the worst reaction I saw was when he snuck a bite of a taco with some hot sauce on it that gave him some belly trouble. His previous owner had, at times, spent a great deal of moneyon Baxter’s diet to ensure high quality, but never used a raw food diet.

Over the past year, however, Baxter seems to have been transitioning to middle age. He is less agile, more docile, and tires out more easily. He is showing signs of incontinence – loads of fun. In addition, we have had to get rid of our box spring and place our mattress on the floor because he struggles jumping as high as he used to, and gets depressed when he can’t reach his parents on the bed.

More importantly, however, Baxter has started having tummy trouble. We started noticing that table scraps or changes in his kibble could give him diarrhea, blood in his stools, painful stools, etc. It was not a fun few months constantly cleaning up after his explosions in the house (thank heavens we don’t have carpet) and watching him scream like an Ewok when he did his business outside because it was so painful, poor boy. We finally began forbidding family and friends from feeding him and began maintaining strict consistency about the brand we bought him so there would be no changes for his poor tummy. We consulted a vet, who prescribed him some diarrhea medicine, but didn’t have many answers beyond that. Baxter has balanced out since then, but I want more for him. We lead a healthy organic life, and while Baxter’s food is a decent quality, I know we could do better.

Enter Steve’s Real Food. I’m hesitant to make any changes to Baxter’s diet, but the logic behind Steve’s approach makes too much sense not to try. My dog has been an emotional anchor in some really rough times, and there is nothing I wouldn’t do for him to reward him for what he has brought to my life. I am sure many of you feel the same way.

I plan to do a really slow transition to minimize the effect on Baxter’s insides as we go through this. I want to start with a little goat milk on his regular food and see if we can’t start waking up his stomach and helping it adjust gently to something he’s not used to – I picture it like sprite when you have the flu; goat’s milk sounds like a gentle way to start. Then I will slowly, slowly start adding the tater-tot sized raw food mixed with his regular food and monitor his behavior, energy, and stools.

The best part is, I am inviting all of you to come along with meon this journey. Maybe you haven’t started transitioning your pet yet, maybe you are worried like I am that changes in the diet will lead to messy, smelly accidents to clean up. But I will be testing it out to see how things go, and documenting my findings and results here. So check back on occasion to see how things are going with Baxter and I.

What worser place can I beg in your love,—
And yet a place of high respect with me,—
Than to be used as you use your dog?

— A Midsummer Night’s Dream

 

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